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Scientific Research claims that women really do crave jerks and that truly good guys do really finish last.
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Why do psychopaths exist? The ladies help the psychopaths reproduce by going to bed with them. Men who are narcissistic, self-obsessed, liars, psychopaths, Machiavellian, and thrill-seekers get laid more.
Bad boys really do get all the girls. Women might claim they want caring, thoughtful types but scientists have discovered what they really want - self-obsessed, lying psychopaths.
A study has found that men with the "dark triad" of traits – narcissism, thrill- seeking and deceitfulness – have a larger number of sexual affairs.
Peter Jonason, of New Mexico University in Las Cruces, believes that these traits may have an innate, genetic component that explains why some men seem unable to stop themselves behaving badly.
The dark triad of traits are the self-obsession of narcissism, the impulsive, thrill-seeking and callous behaviour of psychopaths and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. "We have some evidence these traits may represent a successful evolutionary strategy," Dr Jonason told New Scientist magazine.
Many famous men – from James Dean to Pete Doherty – could be said to show elements of the dark triad of traits, but perhaps the best fictional example is James Bond. "He's clearly disagreeable, very extrovert and likes trying new things – including killing people and new women," Dr Jonason said.
The study subjected 200 college students to personality tests designed to rank them in terms of the dark triad. They were also asked about their sexual relationships, including their attitude towards brief affairs.
Dr Jonason said those with the highest rating in terms of the dark triad have more sexual partners and a greater desire for short-term affairs.
The dark triad approach is one way of maximising a man's reproductive potential by having sex with many females, while not bothering to stick around to help with the children. "The strategy seems to have worked. We still have these traits," Dr Jonason said.
David Schmitt, of Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois, surveyed 35,000 people in 57 countries and found a similar link. "It is universal across cultures," he said.
Women find nice intolerable.
So it appears that women create jerks.
Dave - You base your opinion under the assumption that women want men
specifically for these traits. Trust me, women have just as much reason to
be bitter as men. More, actually, but you won't agree because you're
biased.
What these scientists see as "narcissistic", women see as
confident. What they see as "impulsive", we see as spontaneous. What they
see as "thrill-seeking", we see as brave. I seriously doubt that the women
tested affirmed that they prefer narcissistic men. This is just how the
person who wrote the article decided to state it. Because this is what he
believes.
James Bond is desirable because he is confident, brave,
masculine, clever, handsome, successful and highly intelligent. It's just a
matter of perception. Men also neglect the fact that these men are sought
after mainly for their sexual appeal. This in no way signifies that these
women would choose to stay with this man for life, when his flaws become
apparent. Men aren't expected to only want to have sex with women that are
loyal and virtuous, so why are women expected to? Why do men push away good
women in favor of physically attractive, shallow, self-absorbed, and
promiscuous women? At least until they feel that they are no longer young
enough to find women worthy of their affections. If the gene pool is an
argument, men are just as much to blame as women because they sleep around
with multiple women of less desirable traits. Not only do they do this, but
they are almost always the ones who insist on not wearing a condom. That's
not to say that women shouldn't insist otherwise, and are not at fault. The
point is that it is the fault of BOTH sexes.
Perhaps if men would ask the right questions, instead of fueling their own
ridiculous claims that women actually prefer to be treated poorly, we could
actually get somewhere in this conflict. Until then, why don't you work on
curing cancer, instead of perverting the truth to try and rationalize your
own failure with obtaining more women than you need?
Eva now let me ask you a common sense question...why would somebody get
narcissism mixed up with confidence unless they were blind to the truth?
Willful ignorance is certainly not bliss. So just because somebody acts
like they are the man, you think they are the man, without doing any fact
finding, and even in the presence of other red flags that should make you
question this opinion? Come on....you know, some people have an issue with
romanticizing everything about a person even if those traits indicate
obvious character flaws. He's bad but she loves him for it. He did
something bad but he did it for a good reason. Those people must have
gotten what they had coming to them, or his (insert bad behavior) is his
way of saying he cares, etc. Always making excuses for the guy's misdeeds
and BS. Well there you go. No missunderstanding there, these women know
what time it is, but they're playing an active role in the cover-up. Yeah
narcissism is an ugly word. So are a lot of other things. So sometimes
people try to pretend that things are not what they are so they don't have
to face the truth. But at the end of the day, it still is what it is. If
their perception of things was right, they wouldn't keep becomming
attracted to toxic personalities would they? If confidence was so
important, wouldn't they seek true confidence instead of arrogance and
self-centeredness? Or wouldn't they at least want to avoid known
problematic men who are typically trouble? Don't play pretend that they
don't know what they're doing either. If somebody plays the obvious villian
and you choose instead to see him as a troubled hero, that's an issue with
the eye of the beholder. So don't blame the people who make the observation
that certain women do crave certain men despite the obvious red flags and
all that jazz. There's an elephant in the middle of the room but rather
than address the elephant, and why it is there, and what should be done
about it...I guess it's easier to discredit the people who call attention
to the elephant?
simply put,women look for a genetic strong sperm donor and a geneticly weak
provider.
I found Eva's commentary most credible to the truth.
Dave, I'm concerned for your viewpoint in assuming shelters are for women
who crave unhealthy relationships.
Do women desire unhealthy relationships? No.
I think women are attracted to who they are attracted to/same as men, and
then with logic,...we are given choices to either act proceed with caution
or find the exit stratedgy.
I am attracted to a certain type of man,...who yes, is a little bitter from
women from both equally shared mistakes from past relationships but that
doesn't have anything to do with how I want to enjoy time with him, be
there for him, bond with him, and most of all know that if it is not a
healthy relationship for ME,.... then I have a decision to make.
This one particular guy I like can be misconstrued as a not so nice, kinda
callous, a bit of a jerk. On the other hand, I can be be the same exact way
as a female.
The role in which I dare to be with him is bring him some moral support,
some guidance, love, honesty, trust, and try not to make stupid mistakes
that could have him not respect my logic when I want to be a giver to him
or play on his terf. I also need him to understand I can be beside him
through a dark hour in his life and be his friend and confidant. He might
have many women too who adore him as much as I do but who am I to settle
for a guy/man who is what society thinks I should be with that hasn't
experienced the painful relationships that I have. I will choice to be with
who I want and strive to be a decent/spontaneous at times/responsible/tough
but intelligent/sexy woman. If I decide to walk away, then I do,... with
nothing but the principal that I am led by my own compass and desires of
the man I am sexually and intellectually stimulated by as a lover/friend.
it makes sense that a tribe full of psychopaths would survive better then a
tribe full of nice guys.can you imagine a nice guy going out and kiling
animals or threatning neighbors?
the problem now is that tecnology progressed at a faster rate then our
nervous system.
even when a woman is inteligent enough to work this out and marries a nice
guy she is not sexualy fulfiled,enough proof of womens hiehgr sex drive is
how many vibrators are sold every year,have any of you looked up the profit
of vibrator making companies?
this sex drive is not fulfilled by nice guys they are married to ,but when
they were younger and were going out all the time they were having plenty
of sex with psycopaths aka bed boys.
Then they like jerks because they are jerks too. Maybe it's that simple.
"are women too stupid to breathe, much less be trusted to select their own
sexual partners?"
YES
"it makes sense that a tribe full of psychopaths would survive better then
a tribe full of nice guys. Can you imagine a nice guy going out and killing
animals or threatening neighbors?"
Do you really think psychopaths will work together? Look at happens when
you throw a bunch of psychopaths together in one area, such as the case in
prison. They fight, intimidate, beat up and rape each other. In reality a
tribe of psychopaths would implode due to the various neuroses going on in
that group. The selfish hidden agendas, the asshole behaviors, the
dog-eat-dog mentality...they'd kill each other off. Get your mind out of
the "evolution" mindtrap and look at this realistically: THIS SHIT DOESNT
WORK. If it did, women would not wind up with the short end of the stick
time and time again after dealing with these psychopaths, narcisists,
womanizers, phillanderers and so on.
The psychopaths will attack each other to assert their status as the most
dominant, even through slaughtering and cannibalizing each other. The
other tribe would put their egos aside to actually try to survive.
can someone please do a study on why some women crave weird, introverted,
shy, loners for sex parnters?
A wise man said this about women:
See, the reason the “The Bad/Lesser Attractive Dick” (TBLAD) is banging
easier than “”The One” Dick” (TOD) is this.
I was talking to one of my buddies about this kind of thing, and I was like
WTF? he said if we knew how to figure out the answer to this shit we would
know how to figure out anything lol.
If you really want this type of woman (personally I don't - far too
unstable and insecure on the whole) then find out what they want and fake
it.
It's not really a question of intelligence it's more that when feeling
or instinct is engaged in most people reason slips into neutral.
The reasons for this female preference are obviously to do with evolution.
Under primitive conditions the most aggressive male was probably the best
provider. No longer holds true under modern conditions but then instinct
hasn't caught up with social changes, in particular with the industrial
revolution.
It is unfortunately true that the better women are treated the
worse they behave and the worse they're treated the better they behave.
I've seen this far too often to be in any doubt about it. They see
consideration as weakness, regard it with contempt and exploit it
relentlessly and to destruction. This explains a lot about the absurdities
of women over the last half century and is a clear pointer as to how to
handle women in the future.
Gentlemen, gentlemen - you are forgetting one thing:
I agree with Mary. Even the shy and quiet guys when they get their nerve
don't hit on the shy quiet girls, they want the girl all the other guys are
after, the one getting all the free drinks, in the revealing clothing,
talking sexy all the time. Men always say they want a nice sweet girl, but
it isn't the nice sweet girl that gets there libido racing or catches their
interest. It isn't the nice sweet girl that his friends high five him for.
It's the beauty/drama queen that they enjoy, despite protests to the
contrary. Only when they want someone mom will approve of do they finally
turn their attention to the quiet girls, but sometimes they just buck mom's
approval and go for the wild girl who turns heads when she's on his arm.
There are men as well as women who shoot heroin, does that magically make
it any better that both genders do something detrimental? Some people act
like they have lemming DNA in their system. Regardless of who wants to
ping-pong the issue back and fourth, if your choice in partners keeps
putting you in bad company that's not a good thing, and excuses should not
be made for that.
A person could get a headache reading all this.
I love all the concepts make think about redoing my seduction process
