It's the oozing masculinity 35

So, does jerk like behavior seem very masculine to most women?

I remember George Carlin say that men who act in an overly macho way are pr*cks, and that they are only engaging in needless pr*ck-waving.

Ok you know you have people who make statements like this, and that's all fine and good but when you look at what actually is happening in the real world, what decisions women are making, CONSISTENTLY, ok...we see women going stir crazy for jerks. Not normal guys who have masculinity. Yeah those guys might get their girl in the end but jerks get the rockstar reception. It's like night and day. Almost as if women loose their minds in the process of seeking to be with such a guy. Jerk reputation nonwithstanding, too. Several women on this blog have given testimony that it's the jerk in those guys that they are attracted to, so this theory that jerkiness is a mere side effect of what women are really looking for IMO isn't really valid. Again, there always were better choices available, guys who were real men and not jerks have always been around, but women go en masse for the jerks, the players, the guys who are known to get around. This is simply a case of the clitoris taking over the wheel from common sense and driving the car onto the autobon(sp). And these women will either OVERLOOK the bad qualities or, worse, are DRAWN TO the bad qualities. This is where my comment on "dysfunctional" came from in that other thread, something is wrong with this picture, but the women won't look in the mirror and acknowledge that they consciuosly go for unhealthy relationships, they instead bash the guys who don't have what they want and call them loosers, as if that helps anything. But is it the the fault of the so called "looser" that these women can't get right? At the end of the day, these women still end up getting burned by the wayward men they chase after so you tell me who's the real looser.

Any woman who has a clear understanding of what a real man is, will choose a real man instead of a jerk. A jerk is not a real man, that would require too much responsibility and honesty and accountability. So are women "fooled" by the jerk into thinking the jerk is a real man? As per my previous comments, I don't think that's the case. Whenever women say a real man is not exciting enough or "too boring" or "too predictable" this illustrates her attraction to the unpredictable nature of an unstable man.

Real women want real men not jerks. Female jerks like male jerks. Two peas in a pod.

Just think John Wayne, Sam Elliot. Actors who create a believable illusion of masculinity on screen. Unrealistic roll models. Few men can compete with Hollywood.

Hollywood, TV, the media and the music industry set unrealistic standards marketed towards what they think people want.

I think listening to those sources is getting our society in a lot of trouble in terms of what detrimental choices people are making. At some point we have to snap out of it.

As I've said time and time again, the mainstream beauty "ideal" is what it is, for the same reason that there has to be a warning on McDonald's coffee, not to spill it on yourself because it's hot.

In order to make the most money, a product has to have the most mass appeal, so that image, be it the bimbo or the jerk/thug is popular because it appeals to the lowest common denominator. If they started promoting icons who were challenging and interesting as more sexually appealing, they would get excellent ratings from the niche of humanity that is challenging and interesting, but nobody else would understand it.

So though I find it fascinating that people seem to enjoy self destruction on such a massive scale, it is just a fascination. I don't worry over it too much because me and the bimbos are competing for entirely different men...and you guys who are using your computers for more than browsing for free porn should probably understand that when it comes right down to it, you're competing for different women.

Since you are, don't envy the jerks for the ones they get. Just don't squander opportunities that you have to stand out as the better alternative...and if there isn't anyone around to recognize that, chalk it up as statistics and get over it.

"Fear is the mindkiller..."

Yeah like I said the ones who go for jerks have some kind of issues, and probably expect to be treated the way a jerk would treat them. (and would probably treat a different man the way they're used to treating jerks) They're not going for those guys for their health, they're going because they like it, however dangerous or detrimental.

As I said before, I'll pass. Mamasan's right, a guy shouldn't want to compete with those women unless he wants to deal with everything that comes along with being with them.

Dave -- Of course they're actors who create a believable illusion of masculinity. That was my point! That's what the "jerks" are doing, too. It's not the jerk-ness that makes them attractive, it's the image of masculinity that they portray.

Ali -- I think perhaps your classification of "real men" is faulty. The "jerk" is attractive because of the raw, masculine power he emanates. He emanates all the qualities women look for in a man: independence, self-confidence, decisiveness, adventure, etc. These are the qualities that all the "nice guys" and the "responsible family men" seem to lack.

It's not his rudeness or his meanness that you're attracted to... they're just the shortcuts he's learned to use because they work. Being rude or being mean is a method of showing your disregard for what other people think -- it's a demonstration of independence and self-confidence. But a person can display self-confidence without it having to be rude or mean. A man can prove he's a man without being a jerk.

Why are rock stars sexy? It's not because they're jerks. The same sexiness applies to comedians and karaoke singers and models... they're attractive because they're out there on a stage, in front of hundreds, or thousands, of people, having a good time. By getting out there on the stage, these people demonstrate independence, confidence, and adventure.

Randem -

It's well known that jerks do a lot of posturing. I.e. a false portrayal of self. Many jerks act the way they act just so they can get some kitty. Jerks are by no stretch of the word "real men". Otherwise women would not have a gripe to pick with them, would not complain about the things these guys wind up doing to them. You say that women are attracted to the "oozing masculinity" but I think they're attracted to the fake peacock strut. We have seen already many testimonies from women who are turned on by the fact that these guys don't give a fuck. That they're unpredictible and don't follow the rules. This may be exciting to some women but THIS IS NOT ***MASCULINITY*** this UNPREDICTABLE and DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIOR. They know the guy gets around and has various women and is a slick talker but this does not stop them from trying to sleep with the guy. I don't buy the "oozing masculinity" argument. There are plenty of other men who are real men but jerks pull more women on the whole. Jerks get laid the first night and real men get put on the backburner until she's finished rolling in the hay with her jerks. If they were after masculinity they would avoid jerks and go with the real men, not mate with guys they know they are assholes and make rationalizations after the fact.

Why are people making excuses for these women? They know exactly what they want. No strings attached, spine tingling sex. LUST is the motivator here. There is nothing noble or innocent about a woman who goes trolling for sex and doesn't care about the character of the man. By their own admission they are TURNED ON by his behavior, including his bad behavior. There is a definite distinction between how a real man behaves and how a jerk behaves who is just trying to get laid. These women say they want a man who knows how to play the game, so they know what the jerk is up to and sleep with him anyway, so is it the oozing masculinity? Or is it the fact that he tells her what she wants to hear, he pushes her hot buttons and makes her juices flow? That isn't having oozing masculinity that is called doing what you have to do to get the draws. Just because you can turn a woman on doesn't mean you are a real man. Hell, women can turn other women on, does that make them men? Does that mean they have "oozing masculinity" too? No they simply have whatever the women in question happen to want. However, the common definition of masculinity is what is "flawed".

Quite a few women are confused about what makes a man a real man, and have a flawed definition of what masculinity is. Ask the women who screw jerks what a real man is and they have a very different answer than women who avoid jerks.

Regarding hollywood, music industry, etc....

The image of what SOME PEOPLE think a real man is, gets mass marketed out to the public. Quite a few women look at this and desire that kind of man. Take hip hop for example. Lots of young women wanting themselves a thug because this or that gangsta rapper became popular.

These guys aren't real men they rap about selling drugs and killing people. Horrible examples of masculinity if you ask me. The only thing they ooze is immorality. If women are confusing this with masculinity then that's something that needs to be addressed. No I am not the one with the flawed perspective here. If these women knew what real men were they would be associating with them and not the poor excuses for men known as jerks/thugs/bad boys.

There's no need for all the anger, Ali. Something tells me you take this topic very personally.

It seems to me that you've got a multitude of conflicting beliefs here, regarding what women want, and what defines a "real man", and what attraction means.

First, let's get real. Women like sex as much as men. The "no strings attached, spine-tingling sex" is just as important to women as to men. It only becomes a problem when the two (or more?) people involved aren't honest with each other about what they're doing.

Second, when you say "real men get put on the backburner until she's finished rolling in the hay with her jerks", you're really talking about the boring, classic, "nice guy". That's not a real man, that's a chump. News flash: "nice guys" are the ones who turn into jerks.

Third, don't confuse attraction with commitment. They are two different things. The guy who is best for you in the long-term is usually not the guy you find attractive. That's nature.

Look back at what you wrote: you're practically shouting that independence and unpredictability, and a good "peacock strut" are not masculinity? Typing it in caps doesn't make it true. What do you think masculinity is, if not these things? Do you think a man who does what his wife tells him (or his mom, or his kids, etc) is masculine? Do you think a guy with no opinion is masculine? ("Aw, I don't care, honey... we'll eat whatever you want.") Seriously?

Masculinity is decisiveness, independence, adventure. Masculinity is standing for something, and taking action, and not caring what people think. You many not approve of the manner in which "jerks" do it, but you can't deny that they do it. "Nice guys" don't.

No anger, it's just getting real old hearing people try to make it seem like women have good intentions when they consciously go for jerks as if it is an honest mistake or something (clearly one who simply observes can see that this is not so). So, you think women overlook a whole host of negative and detrimental traits in a man simply because of his "oozing masculinity"? The companion piece to that would be the guy who sees big fake boobs and overlooks the fact that the woman is a total jackass. Look, when you have various women telling you that they like the fact that these guys are unpredictible, disrespectful, throw caution to the wind, reckless, don't care about the consequences and have these attitudes where they think they can treat people any old kind of way...and the women still go for these guys I just want to make one thing perfectly clear; these traits do no more embody masculinity than the bully who beats up the nerd and steals his lunch money. Or the 4-5 gang members who jump a lone pedestrian in a dark alley and rob him. Maybe that is how some guys get what they want by any means necessary via taking advantage of others but *that is not how to be a man*.

And if women have that part mistaken then no wonder there are a disturbing number of single moms out there who are complaining about their child's father is no good, not being a good father figure or mate, he is running around with other women, etc. Well look at the criteria she chose him on...

If it was oozing masculinity they thought they were attracted to, the statistics say maybe they ought to rethink the validity what they are attracted to. The peacock strut is just an act, a mating dance which women want to believe is real and genuine. Great numbers of women go forward knowing this and they judge not on whether the strut is a lie or truth *but rather how the strut makes them feel*, if you catch my meaning.

You jumped all over my comments on the other thread regarding how the dysfunctional are attracted to the dysfunctional, but that point is much more true that you'll ever give me credit for. But my friend don't take my word for it: look closer at the lives of the jerks and the women who habitually and consciously love them and you may find some serious gaps in their upbringing, evn possibly a lack of values and moral fiber as well as questionble integrity...maybe they grew up without a strong father figure, or their mother was not wound too tight or something, or maybe they simply listened to the hollywood marketing machine or the buffoons in society instead of good old common sense to steer them straight.

You may very well find the answer, the writing will be all on the wall about why they do what they do. But my point is it is not as simple as you say. If simple masculinity was what these women were after, they have PLENTY of choices apart from the jerks who treat people like crap. Women who give a hoot about their own well being will tend to differentiate between the jerks and the masculine men and choose wisely. Women who believe the short term thrill and fun and good sex and naughtyness of it all is worth the danger will choose poorly on purpose and claim they didn't know any better so people can write more books making more excuses for them. And believe me, they can tell what's going on, for all the hoopla about how strong and accurate "woman's intuition" is, they know it. These same females will dress provakatively, scantilly clad, even, for the express purpose of attracting sexual attention from males, yet will claim their innocence when called to task. Yeah right. Like I said they know full well what's up. If they choose a bad boy over a real man, I say they're attracted to the bad in the man. Maybe they like a little mean in their man, maybe they like a little evil. A little edge. But that's not the masculinity. That's something else entirely.

co-siggie threadstarter. randem, really read what the brotha is saying yo. you sound real dumb right now.

You're right, Ali. It is something else...and maybe what it is, is a stereotype of what they think men are. Receiving too many negative messages about all men being dogs and such, sets them up for self fulfilling prophecies. They wouldn't know a real man if he jumped on a grenade for them. They'd say it was his feminine side that inspired him to do so. LOL!

Masculinity has been associated with destructiveness, so they think men are supposed to be destructive. When this happens, women allow themselves to mate with destructive men because deep down, they either think that's all there is, or they think that's how it should be.

It's the same with beauty in women being associated with vulnerability. Perceptions of female beauty don't come from what is actually beautiful. They come from what is considered feminine. When women had use for being vulnerable, vulnerability started being promoted as the marker of a real woman. This happened thousands of years ago. It became convenient right about the time civilization allowed people to live and breed, who would have died off early in a hunter-gatherer, forest/jungle dwelling, or nomadic society...or really even a heavily agricultural one.

So it's best for someone who isn't living like a herdbeast to not get wrapped up in their drama. It may be a lonelier path to walk, but it's at least true.

"Any woman who has a clear understanding of what a real man is, will choose a real man instead of a jerk."

That is what real women do. And they know the difference between a real man and a poser. Pity the posers don't know the difference.

"It is something else...and maybe what it is, is a stereotype of what they think men are. Receiving too many negative messages about all men being dogs and such, sets them up for self fulfilling prophecies. They wouldn't know a real man if he jumped on a grenade for them. They'd say it was his feminine side that inspired him to do so."

Certainly there are lots of misconceptions about what a man is or should be.

We have discussed ad-nauseum on this blog observations of how guys who show that they care for a woman are frequently put in the untouchable category as if this was a major turn-off. (specific reasons for this have been debated as well) Now maybe it takes a certain kind of woman to be disgusted by compassion and decency and yet turned on by more negative traits that you would think women in their right mind would rebuke but I guess that in itself is a lithmus test of it's own.

I think the only sure thing "oozing" from jerks is the sleaze, not masculinity. Of course women who like that kind of thing will put spins on it and minimize the significance and dangers therein, but....the proof is in the pudding:

rising STD cases unwanted pregnancies abortion rates infertility resulting from Pelvic Inflammatory Disease children born OOW and raised in single parent homes inability to maintain a consistently stable functional relationship for very long subsequent poor partner choice

And so on. When you look at the damage done in the long run it's not pretty. Is this what the average person finds acceptable? I wonder sometimes.

Simple masculinity does not cause all of this mayhem in women's lives. Bad behavior does. Smart women will make smart choices. The rest will suffer any consequences brought on by unwise choices.

That was supposed to come out as a list. Damn formatting lol.

*rising STD cases

*unwanted pregnancies

*abortion rates

*infertility resulting from Pelvic Inflammatory Disease

*children born OOW and raised in single parent homes

*inability to maintain a consistently stable functional relationship for very long

*subsequent poor partner choice

Yes, because STDs only affect people who make "bad" choices. No "good" people ever have STDs or unwanted pregancies. I guess all the "good" people never have sex and never intend to. That's probably what makes them good.

......yet turned on by more negative traits

If that were the case, I think a lot of the men who post here would turn women on left and right. Apparently women aren't turned on by ALL negative traits.

I was on a message board where a guy claimed to be a caring, compassionate guy. Then he went on to say how he didn't feel sorry for the people affected by the earthquake in China because the Chinese government is Communist. What!? This guy argued everyone down about what a great and caring person he is, how he volunteers and "lives a good life" yet have no sympathy for people who are suffering because of the government they are under. THAT is something women (and other men with true compassion) don't like. Compassion that is conditional. Compassion that is selective. Compassion that comes and goes depending on the person's mood. A total asshat would probably get more respect because at least he is being honest.

To the women who waste their young vibrant years, mingling with loser men such as the ones discussed here, are indeed losers themselves! There is nothing "boring" about men who go to work to secure a future for themselves, and potential families! Nor is there anything wrong with men who don't engage in criminal, i.e. immoral activity! If these group of women deem men who don't brandish guns, and drugs around as a badge of honor as "boring" or "weak" men, then that is a mere indication of just how dysfunctional their mindsets are! You all are devloving as a species, and should readjust accordingly on the evolutionary scale! You cannot boast of "equality" when you all are mating with the exact same males that you all claim are the problematic element of this society and aBROAD! You all are the problem in my careful analysis of this subject!

Here's a thought...

Make distinctions between the Chinese civilian population and the Chinese government. It would be great if individuals and private organizations donated to the earthquake relief effort. However, the U.S. government should not send any tax-funded aid to China. Besides, it's not their job to do so. And, it's likely that we would be referred to as stingy just like Americans were after we donated more money in donations toward the relief effort in the Decemeber 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami. We were described as stingy becaue we didn't send "enough" tax-funded aid to the relief effort.

Before the self-proclaimed "nice" guy came along, the conversation was not political or about money. It was simply people sympathizing, and for those who have been through similar natural disasters empathizing, with people who are frightened, angy and looking for hope. Why this one poster chose to turn the discussion political, who knows. And the fact that he claimed to have no sympathy for people just because of where they happen to be born, beyond moronic.

It kind of reminds me of the heartlessness of the medical industry, where you are diagnosed not based on you actual ailment or suffering, but based on what you medical insurance is willing to pay for.

*cringes*

What was "cringe" worthy was watching this guy argue with everyone as to what a "compassionate" nice guy he is, then in another post wonder if "gas prices will go down because now there are fewer of them ******* (in China)". He then mentions he has Chinese friends, donates to the needy, and pulls over on the road to help the "elderly and weak". Looking back at some of his other posts, he insulted someone who was trying to answer a computer related question and wondered if the 17-year-old girl kicked out of the prom for wearing an inappropriate dress was "wearing underwear" and if her skirt was at least 3 inches below her ""uhhhumm... lol".

Nobody expects the truly nice guy to be a push over or not to have views that go against the mainstream. But continously talk shit about a large group of people (an entire gender, an entire race) you have to stop wondering why the "I'm a good guy" schtick is a hard sell.

Perhaps, DJ, it is such a "hard sell" because, as you illustrated and provided a case in point for, too many women go looking for the exception, and decide that this is the rule.

One asshole on a message board cannot change a worldview without the individual choosing to believe that this asshole is a representative of a category.

You yourself would say of anyone who claimed to be a good person, that their claim does not automatically make it so. So his claiming that he belongs to this category means absolutely nothing. It is based only on his perception of himself, which he disproved with his insensitive behavior.

He has to be taken to task as an individual...and this should be done there on the board where it happenned. To bring him here to this thread as an example, especially as a stick against men who do not engage in that type of behavior, is misplacing anger...but we are used to that from you.

If you have an issue with that guy, go handle it with him. We have nothing to do with that.

What you're doing now is the equivalent of a White person who is around Black people often, but has one bad experience with one Black person, and decides that all Black people are thugs...deep down, no matter what they say, all of them are just gangstas in disguise.

" So his claiming that he belongs to this category means absolutely nothing. It is based only on his perception of himself"

Typical "nice" guy behavior. You reinforced the point I was making, everything else you said was simply filler.

Its funny that a group of women who have fought for their "freedoms" eventually regress back to their primative state of mating, and social behaviors! All of these women, who marched in unison for their "equal rights", who taught generations of young women that men are inherently evil, and women are the more commpassionate sex, still end up with the very types of men that they scorned for several decades! First they complain about the "macho" overly macho male, then they whine about today's American men being too "sensitive", or unmanly! Emasculated men under the feminist system here in America have gravitated toward what the secret agenda of feminism was all about! I thought the "senstive male" is what American women wanted? Now those type of men are seen as boring!

Men can't keep up with what these neurotic women desire! Neither can they! Do they even know what they want? Now they want "bad boys" as their men of choice, mistakingly attributing thuggish, brutish behavior for typical male behavior, which is an incorrect assessment! Men are getting mixed messages, so they opt to not care what women want anymore! Most of these women have no clue what a "real man" is, yet they have these pipe dreams of their ideal men embedded in popular culture, while unsuspecting women follow by their examples! This is what happens when a society lets their women run rampant! Sometimes, the old adage that "women should be seen and not heard" should still apply!

The woman finds the jerk attractive because she mistakes his attitude for confidence. Confidence itself isn't one thing. It's a combination of things. Confidence is showing no insecurity, being selfish and not taking any shit. The confidant man will not put up with BS from a other people. That's what jerks give off. We all want what we can't have. Women are no different in that respect. I for one have chased after many woman who treated me like crap. I couldn't have them and their behavior made me want them more. Now I see it as a trap and would only go after those women as a conquest to prove something to myself. Do what ever it took to get her in bed and then get rid of her. Most men will not admit that, but it's deep in every man who has been hurt. So I guess men and women use sex as revenge. The only difference is that women get pregnant and men get STD'S.

Well so basically what I'm hearing is that nice guys are full of shit but jerks are the honest ones, the "real men"?

Even the ones who lie to women, play games with their emotions and cheat on them....?

This is what women mistake for "real men"?

I ask you again, is THIS masculinity? They're called JERKS for a reason, and most people have sense enough to understand that usually that reason is that they've fucked someone over.

Like has been pointed out already, some women don't know what masculinity really is, they look to TV, hollywood, media, the music industry or even clueless peers to tell them what a man is. Then they pick whatever seems to fit that mold.

Well when that example of a man happens to be the very type of guy who is doing all the damage in the first place, and this is known, enough so that the woman can think of the guy as a jerk beforehand, and she still dates/sleeps with him...there's something else oozing here except "masculinity" and that's the scrambled egg dripping from her face after it's all said and done.

But who should be defining what masculinity is? Women who are only responding to what floats their boat? We've already seen how that doesn't work. Not very masculine to let women dictate to us what is masculine.

Again, there are more than enough guys out here who aren't assholes, but aren't wimps either. Randem said it himself you don't have to be a jerk to attract women but jerks still pull more than their fair share of women don't they? Despite treating women like they are a dime a dozen...they get laid plenty...but that's not masculinity, that's simply putting the lure out there and not giving women any kind of respect. Defend it if you must, but it really doesn't make as much sense as you might think, especially since women have plenty other choices of men to choose from. Yeah, real men who do what they say they will do, who take care of their responsibilities. I guess that's too boring....

Regarding nice guys:

First of all, commonly some women will pigeonhole a guy if he is nice to her. Because he is nice to her she labels him as a "nice guy", and she assumes that lots of other assumptions hold true. Apparantly all nice guys are boring, can't fuck, and don't have exciting lives, etc. Well my point here is that whether this is true or not these guys will get put in a category before the women even give themselves a chance to find out, simply due to prejudice and poor judge of character....so they choose the jerks instead, claiming they are the real men. But they are really letting their vaginas do the thinking. Well the statistics tell us clearly whether they were right about that or not.

The observation that women will seek one type of guy to date and a different type of guy to marry shows a dichotomy here, and also some fraud. On the one hand, why chance making a baby with someone who isn't a good mate choice? On the other hand, why marry someone you aren't even attracted to? Somebody lying.

This has more to do with certain women seeking out whatever meets their needs for the moment than anything else. I would caution against trying to use jerk tactics to gain favor with these particular women, lest you become a jerk in the process for doing what you do just to get some coochie. And also lest you end up selecting for a woman who uses men for whatever purpose suits her right now.

But hey, if your goal is just to get some and you don't care about your own integrity nor that of the woman involved....*shrugs*

"Well so basically what I'm hearing is "

The operative word being "hearing". Actually since you are merely reading words on a message board you aren't actually "hearing" anything.

" some women don't know what masculinity really is"

Obviously some men don't either. Phrases like "I'm going to become an asshole to attract women" reflect that. Usually the guy in that instance doesn't really need to use the word "become".

DJ, if being an undercover asshole were typical nice guy behavior, then your ass would have been toasted off this blog a long time ago.

Apparently, the worst anyone here is willing to do to you is fire some warning shots, and try to debate with you despite your inability to hold a coherent conversation. Mercy is why you're still here, not power.

Some nice guy here obviously values your freedoms enough to allow you to do the equivalent of shit on his virtual sofa. Try to remember that when you're knee-jerking your you-all-suck song again.

Undercover? I guess if you you call obvious to everyone but themselves"undercover then yeah, they are undercover assholes. Too funny.

Undercover or obvious...You're still here because of a nice guy's mercy.

"of a nice guy's "

A nice guy. Singular. Not plural. Not on these boards.

...and who are you to judge this?

Who are the men here to judge all women?

DJ, go cry wolf to some people who haven't seen your handiwork yet.

Once again it seems that talking about habitual jerk chasers and addicts of "the game" causes DJ to think we are judging all women everywhere, which is rediculous because it's already been established that not all women like jerks or bad boys nor do all women like to play games but the discussion centered around the ones who do. No, DJ, you are not every woman nor do you have to defend the ones who are actually in error.

What I especially like is the way M decides to respond to MY post BEFORE then one asking for help. Compulsion before "assistance".

BTW, how's the "fund" coming along?

DJ, you're mistaking timing for priority. Unlike yourself, Ali nor I am obsessed with this blog or the goings on here. Aside of having real lives, we use the internet for more than sadistic entertainment.

So we're not going to know every time someone posts asking for help...and we're damn sure not assuming that we have the answer to everyone's problem.

You do that. We don't.

If this is a problem for you then well...your pet crisis is not our emergency. Build a bridge and get over it.

...and about the fund, if you remember, we decided that anything to do with you wasn't worth dipping into our splurge money.

This is still true since you are still not a real danger to anyone but yourself. People like you get on the news for killing themselves because the alienation they chased at a website actually succeeded.

If you want the truth, I'm kind of afraid that once everyone really does get tired enough of you to just totally ignore you, you'll suicide...though also in truth, I don't know if I'd miss you.

It probably doesn't matter to you, at least that's what you'll say...but your behavior wouldn't be matching your claim because you are still here and you are still talking negative crap, lying about people, and nagging. You wouldn't be fighting us for so long if it wasn't important to you at all.

...and you damn sure wouldn't be bringing drama from another forum here. We have nothing to do with them.

I guess she just dislikes us that much.

Oh well.

How about them gas prices yall?

Why is it so hard for you to admit you simply enjoy arguing? You dance around it, but you had a choice of 4 other recently updated threads to comment on, yet you chose the one where we were having our little cat-fight to comment on FIRST. I can only imagine the righteous indignation that fuels your responses, the smug self-satisfaction you must feel when you get a zinger in that you think will "shame" the opposition into silence. Even exploiting your own past (even though it in no way relates anything I've said) in an attempt to guilt the other party to not responding and letting you have the coveted last word. Your need is so basic, why you try to make it seem like more than it is........well it makes for an entertainig read.

DJ, please get a life.

"DJ, please get a life."

Maybe you should get a life too. It' not like I'm chatting without anyone responding here.