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If I wanted nice in my life I'd screw Mr. Rogers (2,144 reads)

posted Mon, 06/15/09

Bad boys make good girls come
by Lindsey Wasley

What’s the worse word you can use to describe someone? It’s ok to say that your girlfriend is hot although beautiful is better — much better. It’s fine to describe your man as smart or even strong, but if you have to resort to the word “nice,” then you’re in trouble. We’ve all been in that situation when a date just didn’t work out like we expected it to. We come home and our friends ask us, “What was it like?” and all you can muster up is “nice.”

‘Nice,’ is the kiss of death for men. This is because women don’t want nice they want passion, excitement and a bad boy. This isn’t the 6-foot-five, leather bound, facial tattooed guy of my ArtsEtc. counterparts, the Last Action Heroes. This is also certainly not the good guy that writes inside the margins of his notebook and addresses a woman as “miss.”

“Nice guys finish last” for a reason. If you’re currently a ‘nice guy’ and want be a bad boy, good luck cause you’ll need it. Sorry to say, but you already have a nice guy reputation. So how do you break the curse? I’ve been asked to give some encouragement to the ‘nice’ guys who are falling through the cracks.

While complex, there are certain personality traits that women are more attracted too. These include being unpredictable and uncontrollable. The challenge is then how to shake yourself of the nice guy and become badass. You can start with stop labeling yourself as a nice guy. While you’re at it, unbutton your collar and loosen up.

If I wanted nice in my life I’d screw Mr. Rogers or maybe wear flowers in my hair. Nice men are safe and reliable, but most of all, they are boring. I think I would go insane if I spent the rest of my life with a guy that actually listened to my ramblings about shoes and gossip. Or, god forbid, turned off ESPN Game Day and wanted to talk about our relationship. That’s my job and I won’t have a nice guy coming in and taking that away from me.

It’s kind of strange how women say that they like the nice guys but then never actually date them. Chelsea, a University of Wisconsin junior, put it like this well, “I want a nice guy. For me, things in my life are tough enough; I’d rather just have a pretty easy relationship. But when I find a guy that’s TOO nice I want to dump him. I guess maybe when I say I want a “nice” guy I mean the opposite of sleazy, but not boring.” The initial attraction to the nice guy is there. Most women like being catered to, but this attraction will fade into dull amusement, eventually sizzling out without a little fire to keep it going.

The best situation is dating a former bad boy. If that bad boy you’re dating turns good — not nice but good — then it’s ok cause we know that he was once bad. He will still be emotionally unavailable, leaving the woman to spend her free time freaking out about why he’s like this. This is our job to be emotional basket cases; again, I wouldn’t want some nice guy taking this away from me.

Not only do women interpret a nice guy as boring but they also equate nice as being bad in bed. I’ve heard the argument that the nice boys will tend to a woman’s needs better than a bad boy. I disagree because Rambo isn’t going to settle for 10 minutes of missionary. The bad boy will take charge and screw like he means it. It’s sad to say, but once you’ve had one nice guy, you’ve had them all.

Being badass is all relative. Some chicks might think being badass is skipping your last class Friday for FAC while the next girl might want a newly released inmate. Bad boys are always going to be intriguing and slightly unavailable. There is no challenge with a man at your beck and call. Think Brad Pitt’s character in “Fight Club” taking a woman out for nice dinner. A picture of the perfect bad boy should be becoming clear.

Being a bad boy does not mean treating your girl like shit or cheating on her. Rather, a woman wants a man that is a little badass in life and has some balls. As much as we don’t want you in a fight, you better stand up for yourself in a sticky situation. Although women don’t want every girly desire to be indulged, they still expect kindness and the occasional back-rub.

So the “nice guys finish last” theory is true. I am not advocating that all men on campus become a massive group of jerks. You can be a bad boy without standing your girlfriend up or causing her to cry. Don’t confuse being badass with sleaze, just leave a little something for our overactive emotions to analyze.

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1. Dave left...
Mon, 08/22/05 7:37 am

Do ANY women prefer a kind and considerate man? Are there any women ordinary men attractive? Is Lindsey rightin her post?


2. Dave left...
Mon, 08/22/05 7:41 am

If women had to choose would they prefer to be treated like shit or being treated with respect by a guy?


3. Ali left...
Mon, 08/22/05 9:04 am :: http://www.svmatch.com/allusers/8/

Ok well since they want bad boys they should just say that in the first place, stick to those guys and stop trying to marry the "nice" ones. Most of them don't deserve to be provided for by the responsible guy anyway. Hang with the bad boy w/ bad credit then, lol.

Being unpredictible and uncontrolable...hmmm..not sure if those are traits employers look for. Could these be the same guys who have trouble in the workforce? Lol.

Well they can chase their bad boys all they want but when they become victims of domestic violence I don't want to hear their sob story. That's the darkside of chasing badasses. Their sometimes "unpredictable and uncontrolable" tempers.

So ladies be careful what you ask for, you just might get your ass whooped.

Oh yeah and guess who's more likely to cheat on you?


4. James left...
Mon, 08/22/05 9:38 am

Ali woman like this like to be whoped, I was told this by many woman and I witnessed it first thand.......It's true don't know how to go about it, I am confused about woman in so many ways.


5. Ali left...
Mon, 08/22/05 9:42 am :: http://www.svmatch.com/allusers/8/

Oh yeah and BTW, women like the one who wrote this article aren't good girls at all. They're bad girls POSING as good girls! Wolves in sheep's clothing. So we shouldn't let our strings be pulled and buttons be pushed by what they say, they want us wrapped around their little finger, remember?

Fuck it! Be YOU. If they don't like you for you...FUCK 'EM! Don't change cause they damn sure won't change. Let them chase their badasses and they will be the first ones crying when they come home w/ the clap or get slapped around or knocked up. Be able to spot these fake ass "good girls" and damn sure don't marry them or they will cheat on you with their bad boy toys.


6. James left...
Mon, 08/22/05 9:47 am

Yeah.........but Ali how do you detect this?


7. Bob left...
Mon, 08/22/05 11:26 am

Guys - again - it's notbeing a bad boy jerk, it's just having your own life.

Don't cave into her every need. Do things for your self. Have an opinion.

Don't call her all the time. Quit it.


8. Bob left...
Mon, 08/22/05 11:27 am

Woman don't want a guy they can walk all over. They don't want a guy who is so preditable. No lap dogs. Tell her off if you have to.


9. Ali left...
Mon, 08/22/05 5:56 pm :: http://www.svmatch.com/allusers/8/

Bob I'm beginning to think that we are not usually the problem, as we have been led to believe, after all.

Women in their search for perfection in a man will inevitably find fault in the very man she's "fallen for". Then he becomes a wuss or weak in her eyes simply for being human and having flaws. But apparantly women are allowed to be insecure, selfish, insatiable, and pretty much have all the weaknesses in the book and we are suppsoed to love them just the way they are?

Excuse me but doesn't this just seem a little...UNBALANCED?

I never caved in to anybody's every need, I did things for myself, I had my own opinion, and I didn't call her all the time. I had at least some alpha male behavior but it seems that women go looking for your flaws and X you out if you have any at all. They are not forgiving of your simply being a human being. They don't want a REAL MAN w/ strengths & weaknesses, flaws & strong points. They want a fairytale, someone who will always fulfill their fantasy of their Prince Charming, who they have been dreaming of since they were little girls, with his white horse coming in to save her and swoop her off her feet.

The minute her euphoria from her hormones wears off and she realizes you're a mere mortal, that's when the gears of resentment start setting in. Women differ in how far they take this, ranging from mild dissapointment to all out Julius Caesar level Backstabbing & Betrayal. (HOW DARE YOU NOT BE PERFECT!!!) Lol.

James - how do we spot the fake "good" girls? Well peep this, as we know, people desire people of like character. Fuck what appears to be. If you are a good guy deep down you don't want a bad girl, do you? But if you are a "nice" guy who is really bad to the bone on the inside you will desire sluts and women w/ low moral character because they are right up your alley. Same w/ women. All these women who want a guy to be "a little bad", are "a little bad" themselves. They are just good at hiding it. "all women have their secrets". Yeah. The majority of them are pretending and living a lie. So that's how you can tell what kind of a woman you are really dealing with. By the kind of man her heart desires (not the one her head chooses, her head will eventually choose the nice guy provider for practical reasons).

Most women are a lot badder than they appear. This is how we are tricked. Now if you are a good guy and a woman has "fallen for you", here is your challenge: find out what exactly she has fallen for. Does she love you for who you are? Is she about having a happy, stable relationship or is she just in a hurry to "move things forward" because she wants to get hitched or something. You have to be able to be objective when it comes to women or they will use your own feelings against you. They are master players, and if you are not careful you will be tricked into thinking they are innocent. They've fooled their daddies and older brothers for years, so they've had years of practice to perfect their game and various boyfriends to test it on.

The best you can do is be you as early on as possible. If you put on an alpha male "front" and that's not really you, you'll get dumped faster than you think. If they percieve you to be strong and then see you as weak later you know how that will turn out. Be yourself. If they can't accept you for who you are then they are not for you anyway. It's THEIR problem, not yours. You don't have anything to prove to them, but if you do, they should be proving something to you as well.

This is why I don't go out of my way anymore. Over the last year the "nice" has flowed out of me. Now I'm just...good...I won't fuck anybody over but I won't bend over backwards for a woman either. No matter how much she whines, complains, yells, throws temper tantrums and threatens to leave. The strong man stands his ground and if she can't deal with that she SHOULD leave.


10. Dave left...
Mon, 08/22/05 6:28 pm

Ali - I suspect youre correct in your comments. This may explain the fact that 75% of all relationships fail with women rerquesting the breakup in the majority of instances.

>>Over the last year the "nice" has flowed out of me. Now I'm just...good...I won't fuck anybody over but I won't bend over backwards for a woman either.<< - this is often how many bad boys are created. Women evntually get what they want from in a man when he becomes a bad boy/jerk for them.


11. Dave left...
Mon, 08/22/05 6:48 pm

She can kill with a smile, she can wound with her eyes She can ruin your faith with her casual lies And she only reveals what she wants you to see She hides like a child, but she's always a woman to me

She can lead you to love, she can take you or leave you She can ask for the truth, but she'll never believe And she'll take what you give her as long it's free Yeah, She steals like a thief, but she's always a woman to me

CHORUS Ohhh... she takes care of herself She can wait if she wants, she's ahead of her time Ohhh... and she never gives out And she never gives in, she just changes her mind

And she'll promise you more than the garden of Eden Then she'll carelessly cut you and laugh while you're bleeding But she’ll bring out the best and the worst you can be Blame it all on yourself 'cause she's always a woman to me

CHORUS

She's frequently kind and she's suddenly cruel She can do as she pleases, she's nobody's fool And she can't be convicted, she's earned her degree And the most she will do is throw shadows at you, But she's always a woman to me

Does that about sum it up guys?


12. Ali left...
Mon, 08/22/05 6:55 pm :: http://www.svmatch.com/allusers/8/

Guys, don't let them turn you. Maintain your integrity. They are not worth you diminishing yourself by becomming a jerk, no matter how much they would like to see you become "badder".

My last ex I think wanted me to become like her first husband. BTW, he beat her so much he almost killed her on at least one occasion. I have no idea why a woman would want to repeat such an experience with anybody else but sometimes when she was with me she would push my buttons as if wanting me to cut loose on her. She KNEW what she was doing. I'm glad I didn't let it get to that point but it really was a close one. I didn't do anything I would regret like hit her or call her a worthless cunt or something but that crazy shit took its toll on me. I think I literally went nuts for a while trying to cope w/ that crap. Women need to be able to understand if you create drama you may get more than your fair share, and 9 out of 10 times they are not ready to cope w/ the consequences.

It's just not worth it. No matter how much you may love them. You have to be able to spot problematic behavior and recognize that even though they have weaknesses some of those are not weaknesses you should have to bear the burden for. (they don't want to bear ANY of your weaknesses) They need to get their shit straight or hit the road. A lot of times we want to salvage or save the relationship thinking if we just did this better or improved that and think that love conquers all or something but sometimes the other person is just that fucked up...it doesn't matter what you do, it's only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down.


13. Dave left...
Mon, 08/22/05 7:19 pm

>>My last ex I think wanted me to become like her first husband. BTW, he beat her so much he almost killed her on at least one occasion. I have no idea why a woman would want to repeat such an experience with anybody else but sometimes when she was with me she would push my buttons as if wanting me to cut loose on her. She KNEW what she was doing.<< - psychologists say that women who were molested as children by a family member often behave this way. There behavior is pathological and they badly need therapy.


14. Ali left...
Mon, 08/22/05 7:42 pm :: http://www.svmatch.com/allusers/8/

Well apparantly she was sexually assaulted when she was a child...not by family though. Still...

Also about her and her ex husband, at first the story was that he beat her, he cheated, he left her for another woman, etc. He was basically a monster to her for no reason. Then later I find out she was not the perfect little wife she claimed she was in that marriage. They BOTH committed adultery. Yeah he would beat her but she would knowingly push his buttons knowing full well she "was gonna get it". Kinda like a bad ass kid would defy their parents knowing the whupping was coming, they take it as collateral damage for being rebellious.

Of course, this kind of info I didn't get to find out until some time AFTER we got really serious and were engaged. I'm glad I wasn't the kind of man to wuss out and marry her as soon as she wanted because I'd be divorced right now and paying alamony.

By contrast, I pretty much told her my issues up front BEFORE WE GOT SERIOUS because I didn't want her bolting because of unpleasant suprises. I risked loosing her by telling her that stuff and exposing some weaknesses but she stayed. Ironically the same weaknesses she ended up spurning me for were the same ones she purposely EXPLOITED at some point.


15. leslie left...
Tue, 11/22/05 3:24 pm

I'm treated great by my boyfriend and I find it immature to want otherwise. My guy's a great lover and does indulge in some verbal fantasies that turn me and him on that are of a "bad boy image". But I know it's all in fun and he treats me with the greatest respect which is the best turn-on to me.


16. Chris left...
Sun, 02/11/07 10:13 am

If I wanted nice in my life I’d screw Mr. Rogers

Thanks for the tip Lindsey. My opinion of women is now lower than ever before.


17. D'Angelo left...
Sun, 02/11/07 1:23 pm

Is it me or is this site suddenly being over run with females who are bad boy fans. I have no problem with it but damn.

Anyway, me and my friend where talking and the subject of bad boys came up. I asked here her opinion of bad and good and she stated she wouldn't mind having a good nice guy but in her heart she know she is attracted to bad boys and she knows it isn't good but she can't help it. I have my own theroy about the bad boy, nice guy thing.

I look at the difference between men and women. Most men depend on logic and most women depend on emotion. All the nice guys I see and know or spoke with uses more logic then emotion. Now with bad boys, they are different. They use emotion more then logic. With that the bad boys knows how to make a girl FEEL (key word people) different emotions. Nice guys really don't and that's no knock or anything bad but when it comes to women who are highly emotional it makes all the difference. Bad boys know how to play the emotions game with females and still has logical thinking to go back to if needed.

My advice to nice guys is stay away from highly emotional females. if none of this makes sense let me know and I'll clear it up as best as I can for ya'll.


18. D J left...
Sun, 02/11/07 1:49 pm

" Most men depend on logic and most women depend on emotion."

I just got through watching Jackass Number Two, I wouldn't say those guys depend on logic. Nor do the guys doing stunts gone wrong on Max-X or the guys who try to run from the police on World's Wildest Police chases.

"Is it me or is this site suddenly being over run with females who are bad boy fans. I have no problem with it but damn."

It's funny, these drive by posters I call them (since they post once or twice and are not heard from again, most don't have profiles either), all say things that cater to what certain men want to believe, but the women who have been here for awhile who say different are dismissed.


19. Ali left...
Sun, 02/11/07 4:39 pm

"My advice to nice guys is stay away from highly emotional females. if none of this makes sense let me know and I'll clear it up as best as I can for ya'll."

Actaually that makes perfect sense. Less drama that way. Let them go off to ride their emotional roller coasters if that's what they want, I mean why should a guy stand in their way and spoil their fun? Lol. Meanwhile guys who aren't about all the games and stuff can hopefully find a more level headed woman to spend their time with.


20. D J left...
Sun, 02/11/07 5:54 pm

"Actaually that makes perfect sense. Less drama that way"

Unless the guy is the highly emotional one.


21. D J left...
Sun, 02/11/07 5:58 pm

One way to spot a highly emotional guy, he says things like "women don't want us nice guys, they only want bad boys" or he claims he's going to change from being "nice" to being a jerk in order to get women. Those types of men are most likely bad news.


22. Ali left...
Mon, 02/12/07 1:53 am

"Unless the guy is the highly emotional one."

I do believe I said:

"Meanwhile guys who aren't about all the games and stuff can hopefully find a more level headed woman to spend their time with."

Meaning hopefully people who aren't about creating drama and playing with other peoples minds and hearts can get together and have a sucka free relationship.


23. D J left...
Mon, 02/12/07 2:56 am

Let some people here tell it, men never show any emotion or lapses in logic. Just reading some of the posts here it's obvious that is not true.


24. D J left...
Fri, 02/23/07 9:23 am

I wonder why this thread isn't called "If I wanted nice in my life I'd screw Denzel Washington"? He is considered a nice guy.


25. Ali left...
Fri, 02/23/07 1:42 pm

Well, except for the whole Training Day thing. Lol. All those other classic roles under his belt, but THAT's what got him an oscar for best actor. Acting like a corrupt asshole. That's hollywood for you.


26. D J left...
Fri, 02/23/07 1:46 pm

That was women AND men voting. And it was probably over guilt for not giving him the Oscar for Malcolm X.

And don't get me started over the real reason why Halle won the Oscar that same year. Sissy Spacek should have won for In the Bedroom.


27. Ali left...
Fri, 02/23/07 3:53 pm

Monster's Ball?


28. D J left...
Fri, 02/23/07 3:55 pm

It was probably Halle's best performance, but it was not the best performance of the year.


29. Brian left...
Sat, 03/28/09 7:06 am :: http://www.breakingupmakingup.com

Girls don't like nice guys because they often tend to be needy. Girls like a challenge, and bad boys are challenging.


30. John left...
Sat, 03/28/09 9:04 am

Ladies, let me tell you something. If I wanted nice in my life I'd screw Mary Poppins. There seems to be this myth circulating around the sisterhood that just because a guy is not an aggressive jerk/bad boy he must be boring to be with. A guy who may appear to be Mr. Rogers on the surface has desires at the very least to be equal to the sexiest badass with whom you've ever shared a bed. The nerdish guy, the soft-spoken introvert may very well be the sexy freak you've been looking for.

  • Some will laugh it off as saying he's going through a mid-life crisis. However a man might not have had the experiences of others while in his teens, twenties, or even older. That doesn't mean those desires go away. There's still something inside him that wants all of what he didn't have back in the day. A man like this may be the one who makes you forget all others, that is if a woman is perceptive enough to see that fact. Better keep your rolodex for swing partners handy ladies.

  • I still remain less than impressed with many women and their ability to choose a partner who's right for them. If their sense about men was so good how come there are so many bad relationships out there?


31. Ali left...
Sat, 03/28/09 9:42 am

That's a good question John...you would think that if they were choosing on the right criteria (like they claim they are), then those choices would pan out more often. In fact the opposite is happening. If the divorce rate is 50-60% on the average then the divorce rate with the wrong kind of guy is going to be higher than the average maybe closer to 80-90% so they're shooting themselves in the foot. Yet according to them the nice guys are the problem...well how are nice guys the problem when these women refuse to date them? Seems to me like the nice guys are a non-issue for a lot of these women because they aren't dealing with them on a romantic level...until of course they have accumulated debt and kids and lots of problems stemming from bad relationships with their favorite bad men. They figure somebody's gotta help them thru their tough times. If the bad boys were the right choice then those guys would stick around and do the right thing by the women who they deal with. Since they don't, the proof is in the pudding. But it's up to the women to realize this.


32. DJ left...
Sat, 03/28/09 2:28 pm

"until of course they have accumulated debt and kids "

Like your alleged girlfriend? Does your single mom girlfriend know about all your criticisms of single mothers? Or is she so grateful to have a boyfriend that she's willing to be considered second class?